Comments on: What if we’re too fucked up? http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/ A middle class white guy comes to grips with Peak Oil, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, Population Overshoot Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:48:08 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: AV http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-23 AV Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:21:16 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-23 Sally, Oh, so close! Yes, the question, "Are we too fucked up to make it" needs to be asked. But it is false comfort to conclude that just because you have surronded yourself by people who think like you do that this indicates that we can make it. It is quite possible that we will not make it. It is possible that the hordes of unconsious people will do more damage then the small number of enlightened can ameliorate. True psychological freedom comes when that truth can be faced dead on and accepted as a realistic possibility. Six degrees increase in the average global temperature and we may very well drive ourselves to extinction or plunge ourselves into a dark age like no other in our history. Once that is faced it becomes an existential question - what do you do with that knowledge? Do you curl up in a ball and hide your head, escape into a fantasy world of drugs/tv/sex? Or do you shrug your shoulders and do "all that you can do" because if you don't who will? And if no one does then the worst case is almost guaranteed. AV p.s. sorry if I tempted you back to your computer... Sally,

Oh, so close! Yes, the question, “Are we too fucked up to make it” needs to be asked. But it is false comfort to conclude that just because you have surronded yourself by people who think like you do that this indicates that we can make it.

It is quite possible that we will not make it. It is possible that the hordes of unconsious people will do more damage then the small number of enlightened can ameliorate. True psychological freedom comes when that truth can be faced dead on and accepted as a realistic possibility. Six degrees increase in the average global temperature and we may very well drive ourselves to extinction or plunge ourselves into a dark age like no other in our history.

Once that is faced it becomes an existential question - what do you do with that knowledge? Do you curl up in a ball and hide your head, escape into a fantasy world of drugs/tv/sex? Or do you shrug your shoulders and do “all that you can do” because if you don’t who will? And if no one does then the worst case is almost guaranteed.

AV

p.s. sorry if I tempted you back to your computer…

]]> By: Sally http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-24 Sally Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:52:47 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-24 AV, Yeah, you tempted me back. How can I resist when someone is willing to look dead on? I so appreciate that. I really do. I think what I felt in our circle was not false comfort. I think the answer I got was that we are not too fucked up. Not that it guarantees anything, but that it keeps open possibility. If we ARE too fucked up, well, then we might as well do whatever and not make effort, not try to be conscious. You are right on the money. If we aren't too fucked up, but that still doesn't guarantee anything, then how do we live well in the uncertainty, with depth, and integrity and meaning? Thanks for your comment. I hope you stay tuned. And let me know if you want to be on our emailing list for screenings/DVD releases. Sally AV,
Yeah, you tempted me back. How can I resist when someone is willing to look dead on? I so appreciate that. I really do.

I think what I felt in our circle was not false comfort. I think the answer I got was that we are not too fucked up. Not that it guarantees anything, but that it keeps open possibility. If we ARE too fucked up, well, then we might as well do whatever and not make effort, not try to be conscious.

You are right on the money. If we aren’t too fucked up, but that still doesn’t guarantee anything, then how do we live well in the uncertainty, with depth, and integrity and meaning?

Thanks for your comment. I hope you stay tuned.

And let me know if you want to be on our emailing list for screenings/DVD releases.
Sally

]]> By: wendi http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-31 wendi Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:57:30 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-31 Sally, Like you, I, too, live with manipulated fear, ignorance, cultural confusion and social antagonism ("What if we are too fucked up?"). Like those of us who joined in circle, and others whose voices I hear through this blog, we are huddling together on the faultline of an empire. Our stories are no more pure and simple than human histories are pure and simple. The circle, for me, is opportunity for committed attention and an awareness - a privileged and sequestered rendering of human suffering, and reaching into us for what's still passionate, still unintimidated, still unquenched. Of course, like the consciousness behind it we can be deep or shallow, glib or visionary, prescient or stuck in an already lagging trendiness. We draw strength from resemblance in difference and remind each other of what we are forbidden to see -- a forgotten future -- a still uncreated site whose moral architecture is founded not on ownership and dispossession, the subjection of women, outcast and tribe, but on the continuous redefining of freedom. Perhaps there exists an unspeakable where the nucleus of the living relation between the circle and the world resides. Sally, Like you, I, too, live with manipulated fear, ignorance, cultural confusion and social antagonism (”What if we are too fucked up?”). Like those of us who joined in circle, and others whose voices I hear through this blog, we are huddling together on the faultline of an empire. Our stories are no more pure and simple than human histories are pure and simple.
The circle, for me, is opportunity for committed attention and an awareness - a privileged and sequestered rendering of human suffering, and reaching into us for what’s still passionate, still unintimidated, still unquenched. Of course, like the consciousness behind it we can be deep or shallow, glib or visionary, prescient or stuck in an already lagging trendiness. We draw strength from resemblance in difference and remind each other of what we are forbidden to see — a forgotten future — a still uncreated site whose moral architecture is founded not on ownership and dispossession, the subjection of women, outcast and tribe, but on the continuous redefining of freedom. Perhaps there exists an unspeakable where the nucleus of the living relation between the circle and the world resides.

]]> By: Ted Howard http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-113 Ted Howard Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:44:18 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/03/31/what-if-were-too-fucked-up/#comment-113 Hi Sally Thanks for this. "We" ("civilised") may be beyond the point of no return. I feel deeply that we either choose to become some form of indigenous folks re-rooted in nature "we" may have a chance...if not "we" deserve to join the die-off, and that's now OK with me....570 species are going to extinctioon every day, change or join them confronts me as the big wake up call. Regards Ted Hi Sally
Thanks for this.
“We” (”civilised”) may be beyond the point of no return. I feel deeply that we either choose to become some form of indigenous folks re-rooted in nature “we” may have a chance…if not “we” deserve to join the die-off, and that’s now OK with me….570 species are going to extinctioon every day, change or join them confronts me as the big wake up call.

Regards
Ted

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