Comments on: Cheermongers and Hope Fiends – Part 1 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/ A middle class white guy comes to grips with Peak Oil, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, Population Overshoot Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:38:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: becky http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-748 becky Mon, 14 May 2007 22:33:36 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-748 the cheermongers in my life who used to be very close friends began calling me negative and a victim, not realizing that we are all victims of what's happening. i guess i have the power to threaten comfort levels. it's funny really...now, anyway. it wasn't funny while i was hearing this stuff from them, ad nauseum. what's funny is...and this isn't terribly funny either...that the joke's on them. at this rate, they'll never catch up...even if they begin to wake up. i've been experiencing huge angst and a lot of fear for years, now. i doubt they have special tools to move through it any faster than i have. i know they'll think they do but they won't. i know they will feel above it all. they aren't. i can now appreciate what i've just gone through. it sure helps to be connecting to all of you. it's important for us to share and to be heard. i will never call anyone a victim or a negative person, only real. we are the real. i'm honored to be standing among you. you know who you are and i love you. maybe now i can get about the business of finally articulating the truth, no matter what. i've made so many attempts, over the past few years, with no success. i had no one standing with me. i felt weak and pissed off and the cheermongers only pushed me further away thinking, all the while, that they are the only ones who know anything meaningful. interesting, one of these old friends/cheermongers said he was going to save the world. i have news for him. if he refuses to see and accept what's real, he'll reach no one in a meaningful way. LOVE TO US ALL!!!!!!!! the cheermongers in my life who used to be very close friends began calling me negative and a victim, not realizing that we are all victims of what’s happening. i guess i have the power to threaten comfort levels. it’s funny really…now, anyway. it wasn’t funny while i was hearing this stuff from them, ad nauseum. what’s funny is…and this isn’t terribly funny either…that the joke’s on them. at this rate, they’ll never catch up…even if they begin to wake up. i’ve been experiencing huge angst and a lot of fear for years, now. i doubt they have special tools to move through it any faster than i have. i know they’ll think they do but they won’t. i know they will feel above it all. they aren’t.

i can now appreciate what i’ve just gone through. it sure helps to be connecting to all of you. it’s important for us to share and to be heard. i will never call anyone a victim or a negative person, only real. we are the real. i’m honored to be standing among you. you know who you are and i love you.

maybe now i can get about the business of finally articulating the truth, no matter what. i’ve made so many attempts, over the past few years, with no success. i had no one standing with me. i felt weak and pissed off and the cheermongers only pushed me further away thinking, all the while, that they are the only ones who know anything meaningful. interesting, one of these old friends/cheermongers said he was going to save the world. i have news for him. if he refuses to see and accept what’s real, he’ll reach no one in a meaningful way.

LOVE TO US ALL!!!!!!!!

]]> By: becky http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-749 becky Mon, 14 May 2007 22:37:02 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-749 welcome back, todd!!! welcome back, todd!!!

]]> By: Stacey http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-756 Stacey Tue, 15 May 2007 02:38:36 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-756 I keep thinking of something Eliot Cowan said the first day of the Plant Spirit Medicine workshop. His question was, "What is reality?" It was a trick question, because reality is as you see it, and reality is as I see it, and so on and so on. If I want to reach for hope and not live in fear, that might work for me, in terms of healing the planet and healing myself. And if you want to open people's eyes and tell the deep truth with the intention to fear and to shift consciousness, then that is good also. There is no right way, is there? love, stacey I keep thinking of something Eliot Cowan said the first day of the Plant Spirit Medicine workshop. His question was, “What is reality?” It was a trick question, because reality is as you see it, and reality is as I see it, and so on and so on. If I want to reach for hope and not live in fear, that might work for me, in terms of healing the planet and healing myself. And if you want to open people’s eyes and tell the deep truth with the intention to fear and to shift consciousness, then that is good also. There is no right way, is there?

love,
stacey

]]> By: Ted Howard http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-764 Ted Howard Tue, 15 May 2007 05:54:43 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-764 Hey Tim I'd almost forgotten your 'cheermonger' idea...LOL!! Thanks for the wonderful reminder! I used to be a real new-age cheermonger, and I have the "Don't worry, be happy" T-shirts to prove it! I used the creative visualisation and positive thinking stuff to get over the collapse of my first marriage. It sure was better than committing suicide, but that was then and this is now. Back then I didn't really have much of a clue, but "better living through denial", huh? Though no longer a cheermonger, I'm deeply happy to be here amongst such real people.....as Derrick Jensen says, "we're really, really fucked, and live is good!" Regards Ted Hey Tim
I’d almost forgotten your ‘cheermonger’ idea…LOL!!
Thanks for the wonderful reminder!

I used to be a real new-age cheermonger, and I have the “Don’t worry, be happy” T-shirts to prove it!

I used the creative visualisation and positive thinking stuff to get over the collapse of my first marriage. It sure was better than committing suicide, but that was then and this is now. Back then I didn’t really have much of a clue, but “better living through denial”, huh?

Though no longer a cheermonger, I’m deeply happy to be here amongst such real people…..as Derrick Jensen says, “we’re really, really fucked, and live is good!”

Regards
Ted

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-775 Tim Tue, 15 May 2007 12:10:53 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-775 Hey Stacey, That there is no "one right way" is exactly my point. It's my intention to make that clear as I continue to flesh this out. It'll just take me a bit to get there! Hey Stacey,

That there is no “one right way” is exactly my point. It’s my intention to make that clear as I continue to flesh this out. It’ll just take me a bit to get there!

]]> By: AV http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-782 AV Tue, 15 May 2007 16:10:14 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-782 I have the "I'm not dead yet" t-shirt from Spamalot. I think it sums up my point of view well - grim, humorous and fighting to the bitter end. AV I have the “I’m not dead yet” t-shirt from Spamalot. I think it sums up my point of view well - grim, humorous and fighting to the bitter end.

AV

]]> By: Vivienne http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-783 Vivienne Tue, 15 May 2007 17:14:45 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-783 I've made the decision to act on my awareness from a place of "this is where I stand. Peak oil is a reality. An economic collapse is a reality". I'm working hard to not care what response I get back. It's really none of my business. Everyone has to deal with this in their own way with their own skill set. I do feel compelled to speak my truth. It helps having sites like this where I can feel like I'm in company that "get's it". I am teaching classes on this stuff out of my home and the biggest challenge I have is marketing it. How do I get people to come and hear just how bad it is going to get? I do my best to focus on the community aspect and I have ran one session that went well. Any ideas? I really want to get this message out. VivienneI I’ve made the decision to act on my awareness from a place of “this is where I stand. Peak oil is a reality. An economic collapse is a reality”. I’m working hard to not care what response I get back.
It’s really none of my business. Everyone has to deal with this in their own way with their own skill set. I do feel compelled to speak my truth. It helps having sites like this where I can feel like I’m in company that “get’s it”.
I am teaching classes on this stuff out of my home and the biggest challenge I have is marketing it.
How do I get people to come and hear just how bad it is going to get? I do my best to focus on the community aspect and I have ran one session that went well. Any ideas? I really want to get this message out.
VivienneI

]]> By: todd http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-787 todd Tue, 15 May 2007 18:32:41 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-787 <em>thanks for the welcome back becky be careful in hawaii those little yellow dont worry be happy guys were on an island with palm trees they could be close by!!!</em> thanks for the welcome back becky be careful in hawaii those little yellow dont worry be happy guys were on an island with palm trees they could be close by!!!

]]> By: Dave Bennett http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-794 Dave Bennett Tue, 15 May 2007 21:33:25 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-794 As a mutant married to a cheermonger you can imagine the discussions that go on in our house. D As a mutant married to a cheermonger you can imagine the discussions that go on in our house.

D

]]> By: becky http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-802 becky Wed, 16 May 2007 02:18:52 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-802 thanks for the warning, todd!! in hawaii, there's a new and rather ridiculous slogan that's become quite popular with local folks. it's AINOKEA which is slang/pidgin for I DON'T CARE, I DO AS I LIKE. i think this falls into the "don't worry be happy" category, don't you? you are a sweetheart to leave a message for me. i'd love to have you visit me. i have stickies, too.... LOVE TO US ALL!!! thanks for the warning, todd!! in hawaii, there’s a new and rather ridiculous slogan that’s become quite popular with local folks. it’s AINOKEA which is slang/pidgin for I DON’T CARE, I DO AS I LIKE. i think this falls into the “don’t worry be happy” category, don’t you?

you are a sweetheart to leave a message for me. i’d love to have you visit me. i have stickies, too….

LOVE TO US ALL!!!

]]> By: becky http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-803 becky Wed, 16 May 2007 02:22:46 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-803 david, i live with one, too...my ex who is selling the house i built (a wonderful yurt) because we don't get along anymore. it was just after 911 that everything changed, at least for me. it's been rather rough sailing since then. keep taking care.... david,

i live with one, too…my ex who is selling the house i built (a wonderful yurt) because we don’t get along anymore. it was just after 911 that everything changed, at least for me. it’s been rather rough sailing since then.

keep taking care….

]]> By: Tree http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-999 Tree Mon, 21 May 2007 13:13:35 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-999 Tim, At the same time we are constantly bombarded here in America with the gov'ts and cultural fearmongering: The terrorism hype, the fears of nature, 'germs', immigration, many other things. So...those irrational fears are 'OK', while the very real dangers facing us are to be ignored and/or ridiculed. How do we overcome the effective manipulations of those that need to maintain the status quo; those with huge resources and media control; those with 'authority' and means to enforce their wills? (that's a rhetorical question. :) Tim,

At the same time we are constantly bombarded here in America with the gov’ts and cultural fearmongering: The terrorism hype, the fears of nature, ‘germs’, immigration, many other things. So…those irrational fears are ‘OK’, while the very real dangers facing us are to be ignored and/or ridiculed.

How do we overcome the effective manipulations of those that need to maintain the status quo; those with huge resources and media control; those with ‘authority’ and means to enforce their wills? (that’s a rhetorical question. :)

]]> By: Tree http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-1112 Tree Fri, 25 May 2007 00:38:40 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/05/14/cheermongers-and-hope-fiends-%e2%80%93-part-1/#comment-1112 Here's a good example: "AUGUSTA, GA. — Fear is a growth market. And you’re the buyer. Americans, seized by paranoia, will throw money at anything that promises to protect us from harm. That’s why nobody blinked last week when the Augusta Commission approved a plan to spend $3.2 million over six years to defend the city’s fire hydrants from terrorist attack. Seriously. Two new employees will be hired exclusively to retrofit the hydrants with something called the Davidson Anti-Terrorism Valve, designed to keep foreign substances — anthrax, bubonic plague, cyanide, tennis balls — from entering the water supply. There’s no evidence of such a threat, mind you, but Utilities Director Max Hicks decided the Davidson ATV was a good buy. “They are necessary to protect the system,” he says." http://metrospirit.com/index.php?cat=1211101074307265&ShowArticle_ID=11012205072612553 Here’s a good example:

“AUGUSTA, GA. — Fear is a growth market. And you’re the buyer. Americans, seized by paranoia, will throw money at anything that promises to protect us from harm.

That’s why nobody blinked last week when the Augusta Commission approved a plan to spend $3.2 million over six years to defend the city’s fire hydrants from terrorist attack.

Seriously.

Two new employees will be hired exclusively to retrofit the hydrants with something called the Davidson Anti-Terrorism Valve, designed to keep foreign substances — anthrax, bubonic plague, cyanide, tennis balls — from entering the water supply.

There’s no evidence of such a threat, mind you, but Utilities Director Max Hicks decided the Davidson ATV was a good buy. “They are necessary to protect the system,” he says.”

http://metrospirit.com/index.php?cat=1211101074307265&ShowArticle_ID=11012205072612553

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