Comments on: The Rest of the Story http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/ A middle class white guy comes to grips with Peak Oil, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, Population Overshoot Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:05:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Vivienne http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3748 Vivienne Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:06:55 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3748 Hi Tim, like Todd, I'm pleased to see you back posting. I'm glad you took the tack you did with your documentary and gave this strong overview of the culture. It's laser surgery. Yes the specific has to be looked at but as you say if we focus only on the specific zombies the machine will just make more as we take out those we have identified. Better that we see behind the curtain, that we seem the Emperor is naked. The rest we can unravel for ourselves as we gain back our power bit by little bit. And I'm with you it's that scary facist stuff that wakes me in the night too. I watched the Aaron Jones interview on Carolyn Baker's site and it reminded me of all that I was choosing to believe right after 9/11. Then I went to a place where it was too painful to talk about that with people because they thought I was crazy. Now I feel it's crazy not to talk about it. There was a great article on Carolyn Baker's website called "Why we need to Embrace Conspiracy Theories". This whole thing is a house of cards and we need to not be afraid to speak out even if we get ridiculed and put down for it. Speak truth to power no matter how uncomfortable. I spoke to my 21yr old son last week about Aaron Jone's death and he not only knew who he was but he realized his death was a great loss. He has watch Freedom to Facism and said I should watch it. Pretty damn satisfying to know my son is plugged in to this level from his own sources! Welcome Home! Sorry such disturbing things have happened since you left your neighbourhood. Vivienne, Ladner, B.C. Hi Tim,
like Todd, I’m pleased to see you back posting.
I’m glad you took the tack you did with your documentary and gave this strong overview of the culture. It’s laser surgery. Yes the specific has to be looked at but as you say if we focus only on the specific zombies the machine will just make more as we take out those we have identified. Better that we see behind the curtain, that we seem the Emperor is naked. The rest we can unravel for ourselves as we gain back our power bit by little bit.
And I’m with you it’s that scary facist stuff that wakes me in the night too. I watched the Aaron Jones interview on Carolyn Baker’s site and it reminded me of all that I was choosing to believe right after 9/11. Then I went to a place where it was too painful to talk about that with people because they thought I was crazy. Now I feel it’s crazy not to talk about it. There was a great article on Carolyn Baker’s website called “Why we need to Embrace Conspiracy Theories”.
This whole thing is a house of cards and we need to not be afraid to speak out even if we get ridiculed and put down for it. Speak truth to power no matter how uncomfortable.

I spoke to my 21yr old son last week about Aaron Jone’s death and he not only knew who he was but he realized his death was a great loss. He has watch Freedom to Facism and said I should watch it. Pretty damn satisfying to know my son is plugged in to this level from his own sources!

Welcome Home! Sorry such disturbing things have happened since you left your neighbourhood.
Vivienne, Ladner, B.C.

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3761 Tim Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:28:08 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3761 Thanks, Vivienne! Yes, the <a href="http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/107/" rel="nofollow">Rob Shetterly article</a> about conspiracy from Common Dreams that Carolyn reprinted is really excellent. Check it out, and check out <a href="http://www.americanswhotellthetruth.org/" rel="nofollow">his website</a> and his current work. Great stuff. Glad to hear about your son. See you soon in BC! Thanks, Vivienne!

Yes, the Rob Shetterly article about conspiracy from Common Dreams that Carolyn reprinted is really excellent. Check it out, and check out his website and his current work. Great stuff.

Glad to hear about your son. See you soon in BC!

]]> By: Ted Howard http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3768 Ted Howard Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:39:53 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3768 Hey Tim Really liked your post (as usual)! I think your culture = zombie making machine is a very apt picture of the insane culture we live in. Some folks have asked why WAWTG didn't go into the material covered by 'Zeitgeist' or 'Freedom To Fascism'. I think you have done a very good job of laying out clear reasoning as to why. The challenge is to get awakening people to go deeper than the surface stuff, and question the whole culture. Vivienne, I'm guessing you mean Aaron Russo who made "Freedom To Fascism"..? Rob Shetterly was out here in NZ recently, and while here in Nelson, he held a meeting and put on a slide show of his art. The stunning stories of courage and perserverance for justice, for the environment by present and past people (who happened to be American) that went with his portraits, were a joy to hear. Rob is a quietly spoken artist, but brings quite intense and revealling stories to the surface via very good research. He spoke very highly of Derrick Jensen, who he has done a portrait of too: http://americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/Derrick_Jensen.html Regards Ted Hey Tim
Really liked your post (as usual)! I think your culture = zombie making machine is a very apt picture of the insane culture we live in.

Some folks have asked why WAWTG didn’t go into the material covered by ‘Zeitgeist’ or ‘Freedom To Fascism’. I think you have done a very good job of laying out clear reasoning as to why. The challenge is to get awakening people to go deeper than the surface stuff, and question the whole culture.

Vivienne, I’m guessing you mean Aaron Russo who made “Freedom To Fascism”..?

Rob Shetterly was out here in NZ recently, and while here in Nelson, he held a meeting and put on a slide show of his art. The stunning stories of courage and perserverance for justice, for the environment by present and past people (who happened to be American) that went with his portraits, were a joy to hear. Rob is a quietly spoken artist, but brings quite intense and revealling stories to the surface via very good research.
He spoke very highly of Derrick Jensen, who he has done a portrait of too:
http://americanswhotellthetruth.org/pgs/portraits/Derrick_Jensen.html

Regards
Ted

]]> By: Ann Kramer http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3772 Ann Kramer Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:44:40 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3772 Tim, I just stumbled on all this after stopping by Daniel's site where I was checking the url before I tagged it to www.seachangetoday.com. This blog/site started to promote Riane Eisler's new book, Real Wealth of Nations..... Eisler's book, The Chalice and the Blade was a foundational piece for the creation of Ishmael (Daniel even quotes it in Ishmael). For Riane--it is the "economy" that has to change if we're going to keep from taking ourselves out. She supports what you're saying about 'dominion' and really thinks it is important to expose this story--because it is the primary 'value' over-riding every decision being made. The book takes us through the journey of how we got here--but also, what we can do instead through an economic shift to a 'caring' economy. Many of those pieces are coming together...though one of the things I think we do need to create is a 'visual' puzzle of the big picture so people can see how the pieces are interconnected. At any rate--please check out the site. And I will put your Youtube trailer up tomorrow as a way to give people another way of learning more about what's happening. And if you're still making documentaries--its time for us to make one showing all the incredible positive things that are happening right now. From local currencies, local food initiatives, lots of groups gathering--we need to show people there really are a lot of forces moving forward despite the 'angst' of what's happening via Bush/Cheney and the powers that hold Empire locked in its grip. That visual would help to create a tipping point for people to know/understand--we still have time and there's much each of us can do to shift the economy, debunk the "money is everything" mindset! Ann Hood River, OR Tim,
I just stumbled on all this after stopping by Daniel’s site where I was checking the url before I tagged it to www.seachangetoday.com. This blog/site started to promote Riane Eisler’s new book, Real Wealth of Nations…..

Eisler’s book, The Chalice and the Blade was a foundational piece for the creation of Ishmael (Daniel even quotes it in Ishmael).

For Riane–it is the “economy” that has to change if we’re going to keep from taking ourselves out. She supports what you’re saying about ‘dominion’ and really thinks it is important to expose this story–because it is the primary ‘value’ over-riding every decision being made. The book takes us through the journey of how we got here–but also, what we can do instead through an economic shift to a ‘caring’ economy. Many of those pieces are coming together…though one of the things I think we do need to create is a ‘visual’ puzzle of the big picture so people can see how the pieces are interconnected.

At any rate–please check out the site. And I will put your Youtube trailer up tomorrow as a way to give people another way of learning more about what’s happening.

And if you’re still making documentaries–its time for us to make one showing all the incredible positive things that are happening right now. From local currencies, local food initiatives, lots of groups gathering–we need to show people there really are a lot of forces moving forward despite the ‘angst’ of what’s happening via Bush/Cheney and the powers that hold Empire locked in its grip. That visual would help to create a tipping point for people to know/understand–we still have time and there’s much each of us can do to shift the economy, debunk the “money is everything” mindset!

Ann
Hood River, OR

]]> By: Vivienne http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3780 Vivienne Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:24:34 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3780 Hi Ted, yes I did mean Aaron Russo who made Freedome to Faciscm. Thank you for setting that straight. Thanks Ann for the heads up on a new Riane Eisler book as someone who watched the documentary with me the other day said, "how can people not get this, it's so obvious that we just can't continue with unbridled growth". It sounds like Riane Eisler's formula is similar to Joanna Macy's The Great Turning. I like the idea of a positive documentary but I fear that until people wake up to the grim reality something positive would just lull them back to sleep. Perhaps watching "What a Way to Go" could be a pre requisite. No "Happy Chapter" film till after you've had your medicine. I also frankly wonder if we do have the time. I feel conflicted with the timeline everyday. Should I be hunkering down learning to bake bread, canning and buying deyhdrated food for a year or going out working on educating and waking up others who are still sleeping? Do I still engage in Holding Actions, protests against Empire or do I spend my spare time planning my own families future in the face of collapse? Do I live where I am living where I know people and have relationship in the community? Or do I find somewhere that is more viable where I know no-one? Do I live with like-minded individuals or do I stick around in the suburbs where I can be a Change Agent? I think someone needs to add the stress of facing collapse to those stress calculators that they came out with years ago. Rated stress on such things as death of a loved one, losing a job or moving. The stress of this imminent/not so imminent collapse is off the clock sometimes. Other times I feel so damn full of gratitude and joy because I know what I'm experiencing won't last and like the fruits of Summer that makes it all the more sweet. Vivienne, Ladner, B.C. Tsawassen First Nations Territory Canada Hi Ted,
yes I did mean Aaron Russo who made Freedome to Faciscm.
Thank you for setting that straight.
Thanks Ann for the heads up on a new Riane Eisler book as someone who watched the documentary with me the other day said, “how can people not get this, it’s so obvious that we just can’t continue with unbridled growth”.
It sounds like Riane Eisler’s formula is similar to Joanna Macy’s The Great Turning.
I like the idea of a positive documentary but I fear that until people wake up to the grim reality something positive would just lull them back to sleep. Perhaps watching “What a Way to Go” could be a pre requisite. No “Happy Chapter” film till after you’ve had your medicine. I also frankly wonder if we do have the time. I feel conflicted with the timeline everyday. Should I be hunkering down learning to bake bread, canning and buying deyhdrated food for a year or going out working on educating and waking up others who are still sleeping? Do I still engage in Holding Actions, protests against Empire or do I spend my spare time planning my own families future in the face of collapse? Do I live where I am living where I know people and have relationship in the community? Or do I find somewhere that is more viable where I know no-one? Do I live with like-minded individuals or do I stick around in the suburbs where I can be a Change Agent?
I think someone needs to add the stress of facing collapse to those stress calculators that they came out with years ago. Rated stress on such things as death of a loved one, losing a job or moving. The stress of this imminent/not so imminent collapse is off the clock sometimes.
Other times I feel so damn full of gratitude and joy because I know what I’m experiencing won’t last and like the fruits of Summer that makes it all the more sweet.
Vivienne, Ladner, B.C.
Tsawassen First Nations Territory
Canada

]]> By: Janaia http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3782 Janaia Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:57:00 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3782 Tim, I've been richocheting somewhat like you have over the last few weeks -- the insanity speeding up. I take heart by reminding myself that dying critters can thrash hard - and that's the Empire's death throes we're hearing, though it is none too comforting since we're all still inside pretty much, and its reach is global. I'm very grateful that in your film you covered the underlying story that feeds the insanity. It enlarges the picture, and we need that. For Ann, there are lots of incredibly positive things happening now, and worth celebrating. We're videotaping people telling their stories and giving us their tours on "Peak Moment Conversations", which you can watch on www.peakmoment.tv (click on Conversations). Sally and Tim are Conversation # 72. My partner Robin & I have taped shows on permaculture, car-sharing coops, biofuels, municipalities getting prepared, renewable energy, local currency, personal responses, relocalization groups, green building. Come on over & take a look -- we also welcome ideas for future shows. Janaia Donaldson Peak Moment Television Nevada City, CA Tim, I’ve been richocheting somewhat like you have over the last few weeks — the insanity speeding up. I take heart by reminding myself that dying critters can thrash hard - and that’s the Empire’s death throes we’re hearing, though it is none too comforting since we’re all still inside pretty much, and its reach is global.

I’m very grateful that in your film you covered the underlying story that feeds the insanity. It enlarges the picture, and we need that.

For Ann, there are lots of incredibly positive things happening now, and worth celebrating. We’re videotaping people telling their stories and giving us their tours on “Peak Moment Conversations”, which you can watch on www.peakmoment.tv (click on Conversations). Sally and Tim are Conversation # 72.

My partner Robin & I have taped shows on permaculture, car-sharing coops, biofuels, municipalities getting prepared, renewable energy, local currency, personal responses, relocalization groups, green building. Come on over & take a look — we also welcome ideas for future shows.

Janaia Donaldson
Peak Moment Television
Nevada City, CA

]]> By: Ann Kramer http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3792 Ann Kramer Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:49:35 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3792 Fabulous Janaia....I will click on peakmoment.tv tomorrow...and Tim, I didn't get your clip up on www.seachangetoday.com as I unexpectedly had to scramble to get some information together for a grant proposal....re-shaped my entire day. But I'll do it tomorrow for sure.... Another reference to helping people 'get it', especially on money...www.themoneyfix.org. It highlights the local currency we have in Hood River--as well as exposing the 'debt' Ponzi scheme that masquerades as our money system right now. Fabulous Janaia….I will click on peakmoment.tv tomorrow…and Tim, I didn’t get your clip up on www.seachangetoday.com as I unexpectedly had to scramble to get some information together for a grant proposal….re-shaped my entire day. But I’ll do it tomorrow for sure….
Another reference to helping people ‘get it’, especially on money…www.themoneyfix.org.
It highlights the local currency we have in Hood River–as well as exposing the ‘debt’ Ponzi scheme that masquerades as our money system right now.

]]> By: Roccman http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3793 Roccman Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:38:11 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3793 Hey tim - I have listened to WAW2Go - 10 times in the last two days. I am somewhere...don't know where..but it is not where I have been for the past 41 years. Thanks Bro!!! Hey tim -

I have listened to WAW2Go - 10 times in the last two days.

I am somewhere…don’t know where..but it is not where I have been for the past 41 years.

Thanks Bro!!!

]]> By: Sally http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3795 Sally Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:57:20 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3795 Roccman, I don't usually comment on the comments. I read every one but I just don't have time to do them justice. But I can't resist. I have to ask you: What do you mean LISTENED to WAW2Go 10 times? I want to hear more. If you had it going 10 times in the last two days that means 10 hours/day! How did you do that? How did that come about? Is this about coming fully out of denial? Thanks for writing. And if you will, say more. Sally Roccman,
I don’t usually comment on the comments. I read every one but I just don’t have time to do them justice. But I can’t resist. I have to ask you:
What do you mean LISTENED to WAW2Go 10 times?
I want to hear more.
If you had it going 10 times in the last two days that means 10 hours/day!
How did you do that?
How did that come about?
Is this about coming fully out of denial?
Thanks for writing. And if you will, say more.
Sally

]]> By: John Ludi http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3835 John Ludi Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:09:05 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3835 Tim! Thank you so much for the mention...and the lyrical quote! Glad you like the music! I was away on a rare vacation for the past week, visiting the various tourist traps in lower Wisconsin...the ones that will probably cease to exist in the next few years as things progressively fall apart. It was instructive, this trip. The Great Wall of American Cluelessness was highly evident...there was a big racing thing going on by where we stayed...with all the usual hyper-consumption types displaying the full range of the usual behavior. "You'll die starving behind the wheels of your SUV's" was the thought that kept going through my head. I kept thinking of dinosaurs and asteroids... One point of optimism did poke it's head above the morass though...one of the other docs out there, the End of Suburbia had a screening at the Mt. Horeb community center. I have yet to see that one...though I've heard good things. Hopefully you'll see more of that sort of thing for What a Way to Go as word spreads...it deserves it. It is an excellent piece of work and you should be proud of it! You bring a human face and voice to our situation, not just mere analysis. Incidentally, one thing that kind of cracked me up: my "real" first name is also Tim...and I'm originally from Michigan! I was greatly reminded of my own personal history watching What a Way to Go... Tim!

Thank you so much for the mention…and the lyrical quote! Glad you like the music!

I was away on a rare vacation for the past week, visiting the various tourist traps in lower Wisconsin…the ones that will probably cease to exist in the next few years as things progressively fall apart.

It was instructive, this trip. The Great Wall of American Cluelessness was highly evident…there was a big racing thing going on by where we stayed…with all the usual hyper-consumption types displaying the full range of the usual behavior. “You’ll die starving behind the wheels of your SUV’s” was the thought that kept going through my head. I kept thinking of dinosaurs and asteroids…

One point of optimism did poke it’s head above the morass though…one of the other docs out there, the End of Suburbia had a screening at the Mt. Horeb community center. I have yet to see that one…though I’ve heard good things.

Hopefully you’ll see more of that sort of thing for What a Way to Go as word spreads…it deserves it. It is an excellent piece of work and you should be proud of it! You bring a human face and voice to our situation, not just mere analysis.

Incidentally, one thing that kind of cracked me up: my “real” first name is also Tim…and I’m originally from Michigan! I was greatly reminded of my own personal history watching What a Way to Go…

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3836 Tim Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:45:10 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3836 Thanks, John. I used to live in Kenosha and knew that corner of Wisconsin fairly well. At the time, I was living on the other side of that Great Wall! Funny you should mention dinosaurs and asteroids. I've got a blog post coming up about that metaphor... Glad to hear that End of Suburbia is still being shown in communities. It's a good one for waking people up. Well done. There are lots of great docs out now that do that. Maybe there's some support group out there for Tim's from Michigan who have awakened to the world situation! Thanks, John. I used to live in Kenosha and knew that corner of Wisconsin fairly well. At the time, I was living on the other side of that Great Wall!

Funny you should mention dinosaurs and asteroids. I’ve got a blog post coming up about that metaphor…

Glad to hear that End of Suburbia is still being shown in communities. It’s a good one for waking people up. Well done. There are lots of great docs out now that do that.

Maybe there’s some support group out there for Tim’s from Michigan who have awakened to the world situation!

]]> By: Ann Kramer http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3843 Ann Kramer Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:49:30 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3843 Tim, Just wanted to let you know I did post WAWTG on the www.seachangetoday.com site.... ann Tim,
Just wanted to let you know I did post WAWTG
on the www.seachangetoday.com site….
ann

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3849 Tim Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:33:52 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3849 Thanks, Ann! Looks good! Nice website! Thanks, Ann! Looks good! Nice website!

]]> By: Roccman http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3859 Roccman Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:35:54 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-3859 Hi Sally I drove from Phoenix to Denver to meet with oil and gas folk. I have a portable DVD player...the drive is 13.5 hours long. I put in the DVD and listened to it like a short story. It would end...I would give it 20 minutes or a half hour to sink in then I would hit play again. I took one break and listen to Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel to add another layer of understanding. No - I am not coming out of denial - I just needed WAW2Go to push me over the edge and let the shore go. I think this film is by far the best film I have ever seen (and heard) on the major issues of man. Everytime I listened to it I heard something I did not hear before...an inflection in Tim's voice when he said the word "Go"...a concept I had not heard before...a tune. Thank you for your efforts...and if ever in Phoenix call me. You have my number. Keep well. Richard Hi Sally

I drove from Phoenix to Denver to meet with oil and gas folk.

I have a portable DVD player…the drive is 13.5 hours long. I put in the DVD and listened to it like a short story. It would end…I would give it 20 minutes or a half hour to sink in then I would hit play again.

I took one break and listen to Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs, and Steel to add another layer of understanding.

No - I am not coming out of denial - I just needed WAW2Go to push me over the edge and let the shore go.

I think this film is by far the best film I have ever seen (and heard) on the major issues of man.

Everytime I listened to it I heard something I did not hear before…an inflection in Tim’s voice when he said the word “Go”…a concept I had not heard before…a tune.

Thank you for your efforts…and if ever in Phoenix call me. You have my number.

Keep well.

Richard

]]> By: trish west http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-4894 trish west Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:45:45 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2007/09/04/the-rest-of-the-story/#comment-4894 Saw a screening in Ashland. Will you be entering your film in the Ashland Independent Film Festival, or are you already beyond that point? Saw a screening in Ashland. Will you be entering your film in the Ashland Independent Film Festival, or are you already beyond that point?

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