Comments on: Uncle George and the Dragon http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/ A middle class white guy comes to grips with Peak Oil, Climate Change, Mass Extinction, Population Overshoot Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:10:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Gail http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5677 Gail Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:05:49 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5677 HI - - The last few posts you and Sally did found me in one of those moods where I am so down I am just speechless...I can't talk, not about this. I am "on vacation" right now, which really means that I don't have to put on my "face" and fake it out in the world. What a relief to not have to pump myself up so my elderly (sick and dying, in some cases) clients will not feel more depressed than they already are. In my short travels around town, I find that many people know "something" is coming, but they don't have a clue just how bad it is. I tell them to store food and water and then their eyes just get really wide and scared looking. But that won't stop me from saying it. If a couple get it, and do that, at least they will live a bit longer. I am in a fix that many are finding themselves - -I have a house and a mortgage, and if I tried to sell I would probably lose money even through we renovated the house. I don't know that I could sell it. Many many homes here are in foreclosure, and many are up for sale. I think often about renting a huge truck, and removing all "renovations"...wood floors, new kitchen, air conditioning system, appliances, packing up everything we really need, and just head north. My brother lives in Vermont and he "kind of" gets it. I hate the cold weather, but in a survival situation, I would do what I have to do. I also have a good friend up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. She works for the Catholic Archdiocese. They have emergency plans in place and town meetings are being held to prepare people. She lives very near to an indian reservation there which is self sufficient. They are right on Lake Superior. So it could be done. Do I need to throw more money at my mortgage company, which is like throwing most of what I have to prepare down the tubes? Before too long, there will be millions who have lost their homes who are wanderers, and those that sit with their houses will be stuck and probably lose them anyway. Carolyn is right, just walk away.and send the keys to the bank. About the drought in the Southeast: I really believe that these are caused by weather modification (that makes me a lunatic) by the PTB. Look at your skies and see the lines of stuff spewing from the backs of planes all over the place. The evidence is convincing that these are not normal contrails, but instead are a host of nasty stuff, including barium, which stops the rain from falling. We the people have no idea what technology is being used on us. But these things cause health issues, some very serious, and we do need to know what we can do to protect ourselves. In my defense, that is being a lunatic, I am a Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist...30 years worth, and a private investigator on the side. I always try to verify what I read. I am also researching the effects of flouride, and experimentally have stopped my intake of foods and tap water (forced flouridation), and guess what? I feel better. As Todd said, I have similar problem with family. Most of my older generation family are dead. I have two siblings who wouldn't listen to me if I was the last person on earth. Its my kids I worry about. My daughter gets it, and occasionally I can say a few sentences without getting a knee jerk reaction from her. But my son (25) does not listen and just thinks I am reading consipracy theory. It may very well come to a point where I just say: I am going. If you want to survive, you need to come with me. I will hear a lot of bitching screaming and hollering, but oh well. Most of my friends here in Daytona Beach are staying put and taking their chances. We are already having a lot of auto thefts, that is things left in unlocked cars, and a lot of shoplifting from grocery stores. It will get worse I am sure. Peace, Gail HI - - The last few posts you and Sally did found me in one of those moods where I am so down I am just speechless…I can’t talk, not about this. I am “on vacation” right now, which really means that I don’t have to put on my “face” and fake it out in the world. What a relief to not have to pump myself up so my elderly (sick and dying, in some cases) clients will not feel more depressed than they already are. In my short travels around town, I find that many people know “something” is coming, but they don’t have a clue just how bad it is. I tell them to store food and water and then their eyes just get really wide and scared looking. But that won’t stop me from saying it. If a couple get it, and do that, at least they will live a bit longer.

I am in a fix that many are finding themselves - -I have a house and a mortgage, and if I tried to sell I would probably lose money even through we renovated the house. I don’t know that I could sell it. Many many homes here are in foreclosure, and many are up for sale. I think often about renting a huge truck, and removing all “renovations”…wood floors, new kitchen, air conditioning system, appliances, packing up everything we really need, and just head north. My brother lives in Vermont and he “kind of” gets it. I hate the cold weather, but in a survival situation, I would do what I have to do. I also have a good friend up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. She works for the Catholic Archdiocese. They have emergency plans in place and town meetings are being held to prepare people. She lives very near to an indian reservation there which is self sufficient. They are right on Lake Superior. So it could be done. Do I need to throw more money at my mortgage company, which is like throwing most of what I have to prepare down the tubes? Before too long, there will be millions who have lost their homes who are wanderers, and those that sit with their houses will be stuck and probably lose them anyway. Carolyn is right, just walk away.and send the keys to the bank.

About the drought in the Southeast: I really believe that these are caused by weather modification (that makes me a lunatic) by the PTB. Look at your skies and see the lines of stuff spewing from the backs of planes all over the place. The evidence is convincing that these are not normal contrails, but instead are a host of nasty stuff, including barium, which stops the rain from falling. We the people have no idea what technology is being used on us.
But these things cause health issues, some very serious, and we do need to know what we can do to protect ourselves.

In my defense, that is being a lunatic, I am a Ph.D. Clinical Psychologist…30 years worth, and a private investigator on the side. I always try to verify what I read. I am also researching the effects of flouride, and experimentally have stopped my intake of foods and tap water (forced flouridation), and guess what? I feel better.

As Todd said, I have similar problem with family. Most of my older generation family are dead. I have two siblings who wouldn’t listen to me if I was the last person on earth. Its my kids I worry about. My daughter gets it, and occasionally I can say a few sentences without getting a knee jerk reaction from her. But my son (25) does not listen and just thinks I am reading consipracy theory. It may very well come to a point where I just say: I am going. If you want to survive, you need to come with me. I will hear a lot of bitching screaming and hollering, but oh well.

Most of my friends here in Daytona Beach are staying put and taking their chances. We are already having a lot of auto thefts, that is things left in unlocked cars, and a lot of shoplifting from grocery stores. It will get worse I am sure.

Peace, Gail

]]> By: Howie Richey http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5678 Howie Richey Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:08:23 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5678 I’m sad, too. Most of my family, including my mom, sisters, and daughter, have steadfastly refused to see the film. They think they know all that's in it and don't want to "be depressed." I couldn't get them to read ISHMAEL, either, so there's a kind of conversational gulf separating us. On the bright side, my aging dad and youngest sister and her engineer husband did see the movie and were impressed. This bro-in-law feels the system will correct itself when gasoline reaches $6 per gallon here, but at least he spoke up. Meanwhile, I'm still attempting showings at a charter high school and an inner-urban collective. We're also starting a neighborhood-focused coffee house as a place to meet like-intentioned folks and gird for the shifts. Thanks, as always, - HR I’m sad, too. Most of my family, including my mom, sisters, and daughter, have steadfastly refused to see the film. They think they know all that’s in it and don’t want to “be depressed.” I couldn’t get them to read ISHMAEL, either, so there’s a kind of conversational gulf separating us.

On the bright side, my aging dad and youngest sister and her engineer husband did see the movie and were impressed. This bro-in-law feels the system will correct itself when gasoline reaches $6 per gallon here, but at least he spoke up.

Meanwhile, I’m still attempting showings at a charter high school and an inner-urban collective. We’re also starting a neighborhood-focused coffee house as a place to meet like-intentioned folks and gird for the shifts.

Thanks, as always,

- HR

]]> By: auntiegrav http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5679 auntiegrav Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:16:29 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5679 More great stuff, Tim. Thank you. I know how you feel. When I think of how hard it is to talk to people about something as simple as the fact that our milk comes from dying cows (just look at the lifespans), I get overwhelmed with the data of how far down the hole our culture has already gone. The hole in the Real World: we have fallen so far down and away that reality to most of us is just a tiny light way up in the dark sky, and we will never reach it because we used up all the intelligent people and resources digging this fucking hole to get inflatable Santa and Bret Favre lawn decorations from China. I thought your MOVIE was depressing. Thinking about this is worse. We are SO fucked, and there are so few of us left to 'service' our culture that they are fucking us to death. More great stuff, Tim.
Thank you.
I know how you feel. When I think of how hard it is to talk to people about something as simple as the fact that our milk comes from dying cows (just look at the lifespans), I get overwhelmed with the data of how far down the hole our culture has already gone.
The hole in the Real World: we have fallen so far down and away that reality to most of us is just a tiny light way up in the dark sky, and we will never reach it because we used up all the intelligent people and resources digging this fucking hole to get inflatable Santa and Bret Favre lawn decorations from China.
I thought your MOVIE was depressing. Thinking about this is worse. We are SO fucked, and there are so few of us left to ’service’ our culture that they are fucking us to death.

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5699 Tim Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:04:20 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5699 hey all my computer melted down and i'm online very little now. i'm waiting on a new hard drive today. will get up and running asap... Gail, Howie, Auntiegrav, thanks for connecting. it's always good to hear about how things are going in other people's lives as we face into this... it's really hard. thanks for doing what you do. back soon, tim hey all my computer melted down and i’m online very little now. i’m waiting on a new hard drive today. will get up and running asap…

Gail, Howie, Auntiegrav, thanks for connecting. it’s always good to hear about how things are going in other people’s lives as we face into this… it’s really hard. thanks for doing what you do.

back soon,
tim

]]> By: Vivienne http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5736 Vivienne Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:04:00 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5736 Hi Tim and all, it can be so hard when we just look at the scary stuff. I got myself so scared before Christmas I wasn't sleeping, I always sleep. Then the pains in my chest. Then an invitation to row to the island from my partner who was desparate to bring me back. In a daze I consented to row over there and as my boots sank into the mud under the tree with the giant eagle's nest something shifted in me. I connected to my sense of place on the land just across from me, that happens to be an unihabited island, little by little the fears eased. Nothing has changed in the outer world. The news on Carolyn Baker's website is still on run away as far as how bad it's getting. But I feel re-inspired I feel like performing sacred ritual again and celebrating as the Hopi's tell us. Connection to Spirit, Mother Earth whatever the sacred is for you, fall in love with it. I believe it is what will sustain us through the times ahead. Hi Tim and all,
it can be so hard when we just look at the scary stuff. I got myself so scared before Christmas I wasn’t sleeping, I always sleep. Then the pains in my chest. Then an invitation to row to the island from my partner who was desparate to bring me back. In a daze I consented to row over there and as my boots sank into the mud under the tree with the giant eagle’s nest something shifted in me.
I connected to my sense of place on the land just across from me, that happens to be an unihabited island, little by little the fears eased.
Nothing has changed in the outer world. The news on Carolyn Baker’s website is still on run away as far as how bad it’s getting. But I feel re-inspired I feel like performing sacred ritual again and celebrating as the Hopi’s tell us. Connection to Spirit, Mother Earth whatever the sacred is for you, fall in love with it. I believe it is what will sustain us through the times ahead.

]]> By: Scott Tibert http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5788 Scott Tibert Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:04:12 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5788 Such is the human race, often it seems a pity that Noah... didn't miss the boat. Such is the human race, often it seems a pity that Noah… didn’t miss the boat.

]]> By: Joseph Gola http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5794 Joseph Gola Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:56:17 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5794 Hey Tim and Sally, Last night, I finished reading Derrick Jensen's Endgame part2 around 1:30 in the morning. I then popped your doc in the dvd player, put on the old headphones and watched it again. I must say, I really like Jensen. He said on his website that Ronald Laing's book The Politics of Experience was a big influence on him and that blew my mind because it was for me also - I read it for the first time almost 30 years ago. In fact, I began writng a book in 1995 - which will probably never get finished (sigh) which began with a lengthy quote from the book. Seeing the doc again and reading Endgame has really helped me breakthrough feelings of grief and become much more accepting of the reality of the situation. What else can one do? Are you - and Jensen - aware of the fact that Alex Jones has a new doc called Endgame? In it, he claims that the Power Elite have fabricated Peak Oil and climate change as an excuse for the depopulation of the planet. Personally, I dont see why it cant be argued the opposite way, that they know Peak Oil and climate change are real and therefore desire to eliminate 90% of the human race so that they can inherit the earth. But I dont think any conspiracy theory is needed here. By default, the rich and powerful are going to do all they can to grab what is left of the resources of the planet to maintain themselves, their power and their privileges. These are strange days indeed. Well, let us all do what we can to dismantle the Machine and limit the damage to the biosphere for the benefit of those who survive The Crash. Cheers, Joseph Hey Tim and Sally,

Last night, I finished reading Derrick Jensen’s Endgame part2 around 1:30 in the morning.
I then popped your doc in the dvd player, put on the old headphones and watched it again.
I must say, I really like Jensen. He said on his website that Ronald Laing’s book The Politics of Experience was a big influence on him and that blew my mind because it was for me also - I read it for the first time almost 30 years ago.
In fact, I began writng a book in 1995 - which will probably never get finished (sigh) which began with a lengthy quote from the book.
Seeing the doc again and reading Endgame has really helped me breakthrough feelings of grief and become much more accepting of the reality of the situation. What else can one do?
Are you - and Jensen - aware of the fact that Alex Jones has a new doc called Endgame? In it, he claims that the Power Elite have fabricated Peak Oil and climate change as an excuse for the depopulation of the planet.
Personally, I dont see why it cant be argued the opposite way, that they know Peak Oil and climate change are real and therefore desire to eliminate 90% of the human race so that they can inherit the earth.
But I dont think any conspiracy theory is needed here. By default, the rich and powerful are going to do all they can to grab what is left of the resources of the planet to maintain themselves, their power and their privileges. These are strange days indeed.
Well, let us all do what we can to dismantle the Machine and limit the damage to the biosphere for the benefit of those who survive The Crash.
Cheers, Joseph

]]> By: auntiegrav http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5873 auntiegrav Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:26:02 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5873 Some good stuff here: http://www.energybulletin.net/23259.html I wish you could have put Dmitri into the movie...;-) hint hint wink wink Some good stuff here:
http://www.energybulletin.net/23259.html

I wish you could have put Dmitri into the movie…;-) hint hint wink wink

]]> By: Joseph http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5886 Joseph Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:45:00 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5886 Yes, they are discussing Orlov at the www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net . It seems a lot of people think that IT - The Crash - has officially begun. There is a Heinberg article on the above website also talking about the convergence of Peak Oil and the subprime disaster. I have been reading more of Derrick Jensen, and, I finally picked up a copy of Loveloeck's "Gaia's Revenge." I would guess that Lovelock's prescriptions are not going to be embraced by people like Jensen. He is, if you havent heard, advocating the use of nuclear power, amongst other things not likely to please deep ecologists. All in all, reading these two simultaneously has left me with the deep understanding that there are no easy answers on how humanity is going to deal with The Situation. On top of this, there has been a major article circulating - I think I saw it on www.commondreams.org - on just how bad topsoil loss is getting, not to mention the latest on the fact that the destruction of the Brazilian rainforest is accelerating. The presidential elections have got to be the biggest joke I have ever seen - do any of these people even have a clue?! And yet...and yet, I have run into yet another person - who is now, I suppose an ex-friend - who has told me that I, and What A Way To Go, are just - ya know - too "negative." Apparently, I turned my head and missed the new info that shows that everything is going to be all right, nothing to worry about, etc., etc.. regards, Joseph Yes, they are discussing Orlov at the www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net .
It seems a lot of people think that IT - The Crash - has officially begun. There is a Heinberg article on the above website also talking about the convergence of Peak Oil and the subprime disaster.
I have been reading more of Derrick Jensen, and, I finally picked up a copy of Loveloeck’s “Gaia’s Revenge.”
I would guess that Lovelock’s prescriptions are not going to be embraced by people like Jensen. He is, if you havent heard, advocating the use of nuclear power, amongst other things not likely to please deep ecologists.
All in all, reading these two simultaneously has left me with the deep understanding that there are no easy answers on how humanity is going to deal with The Situation.
On top of this, there has been a major article circulating - I think I saw it on www.commondreams.org - on just how bad topsoil loss is getting, not to mention the latest on the fact that the destruction of the Brazilian rainforest is accelerating.
The presidential elections have got to be the biggest joke I have ever seen - do any of these people even have a clue?!
And yet…and yet, I have run into yet another person - who is now, I suppose an ex-friend - who has told me that I, and What A Way To Go, are just - ya know - too “negative.”
Apparently, I turned my head and missed the new info that shows that everything is going to be all right, nothing to worry about, etc., etc..
regards, Joseph

]]> By: Joseph http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5910 Joseph Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:51:40 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5910 I posted a couple of days ago but I think I forgot to hit "submit comment". Or something. I posted a couple of days ago but I think I forgot to hit “submit comment”. Or something.

]]> By: Tim http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5913 Tim Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:49:54 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5913 hey Joseph... sorry 'bout that! we're away for a weekend workshop and my connection hasn't worked well and I got behind. more later, when life allows... take care! Tim hey Joseph… sorry ’bout that! we’re away for a weekend workshop and my connection hasn’t worked well and I got behind. more later, when life allows… take care!

Tim

]]> By: Joseph http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5930 Joseph Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:08:55 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5930 Ooops, the title of the Lovelock book is "The Revenge of Gaia." Also, Tim, if you get the chance, I am interested in hearing about anything you have heard about "zero-point energy". I keep running into people who claim that it is all ready to go but is being supressed. One person of prominence who claims this is ex-astronaut Brian O'Leary, who has basically said that zero point energy and/or cold fusion is our only hope. According to O'Leary, the Japanese government is enthusiastically involved in this research. I find this hard to believe, because if there is truly any evidence that such technologies are possible now, it would be the biggest scientific story in the history of the planet, and I do not see how it could be totally supressed. In other words, you would think that if there was truly incontravertible evidence that it would race through the global scientific community like a wild fire. Anyway, just wondering if you had come across anything definitive on the subject, oh, and also what you think about all the hoopla over 2012 and the prophecied Golden Age on earth that is supposedly coming our way (since you mentioned you were reading Pinchbeck's "2012"). Warm regards, Joseph Ooops, the title of the Lovelock book is “The Revenge of Gaia.”
Also, Tim, if you get the chance, I am interested in hearing about anything you have heard about “zero-point energy”.
I keep running into people who claim that it is all ready to go but is being supressed. One person of prominence who claims this is ex-astronaut Brian O’Leary, who has basically said that zero point energy and/or cold fusion is our only hope.
According to O’Leary, the Japanese government is enthusiastically involved in this research. I find this hard to believe, because if there is truly any evidence that such technologies are possible now, it would be the biggest scientific story in the history of the planet, and I do not see how it could be totally supressed.
In other words, you would think that if there was truly incontravertible evidence that it would race through the global scientific community like a wild fire.
Anyway, just wondering if you had come across anything definitive on the subject, oh, and also what you think about all the hoopla over 2012 and the prophecied Golden Age on earth that is supposedly coming our way (since you mentioned you were reading Pinchbeck’s “2012″).
Warm regards, Joseph

]]> By: danny bloom http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5944 danny bloom Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:35:46 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-5944 http://prpc101.blogspot.com/ tim polar cities for survivors. ? what is your take on this idea? email me danny http://prpc101.blogspot.com/ http://prpc101.blogspot.com/

tim
polar cities for survivors. ? what is your take on this idea?

email me

danny

http://prpc101.blogspot.com/

]]> By: becky http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-8436 becky Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:29:33 +0000 http://www.whatawaytogomovie.com/2008/01/07/uncle-george-and-the-dragon/#comment-8436 it's been a while since i was here, reading your offerings. as always, i am on my knees. i so lack the abilities some of you have to articulate thoughts and feelings but i am here and so appreciating all you do and say. thanks so much! aloha! becky it’s been a while since i was here, reading your offerings. as always, i am on my knees. i so lack the abilities some of you have to articulate thoughts and feelings but i am here and so appreciating all you do and say. thanks so much!

aloha!

becky

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